Maddie latest

[Alpha]

I don't quite know what to make of the latest twist in this horrible event. I would love to think that no mother could harm their child (but we all know that some mothers do) but I find this hard to believe. Some papers are saying that it could possible be an accidental overdose of sedatives she was given so that she slept through for them to go to dinner. But as they are both qualified doctors I can't believe they would.
heres the link to it
http://news.sky.com/skynews/madeleine

[Michelle]

Been watching this today on the news, I think the portugese police are doing a huge turnaround because they havent got anywhere. Apparently they found traces of maddies blood in a hire car that the Mcanns hired 25 days after the disappearance :shock: how does that work out? I really hope that they had nothing to do with Maddies disappearance, I sincerely dont think they did.

[Alpha]

I really can't see how they could of done it. Weren't they withh a another couple at the time and if the alarm was raised within minutes where would they of put her for 25 days. They were visiting the area not locals so surely it is hard to imagine that logistically they could of done it.

[lyn]

i can't believe what the portugese police are doing.ifind it difficult to believe that if they genuinly think either parent has any knowledge of whats happened to maddie then why leave it 4 months. they messed up this investigation from the start and now it seems they are clutching at straws. i don't think the parents had anything to do with it but then again i don't want to think the parets had anything to do with it.

[BuddysMum]

Latest news is that she is not being charged after all!

As the three children are all "test tube" babies, is it possible that the blood found in the car might actually belong to the twins? I don't know enough about all this.

[Jan/Billy]

I think it's all utter nonsense my heart really goes out to them.

I don't think for a minute it was her, not at all.

So if their theory is true, Maddies body was in the hire car 25 days after her disappearance then Kate would have had to hide the body for 25 days!!!!!!!. How did she do this & dispose of the body with the worlds press at her front door 24/7.

I think it's ludicrous and I think she is totally innocent. Portugese police had done a shit job at finding the shit that took her so they are trying to blame someone , anyone!

poor poor woman

[lyn]

i cannot take it all in. i thinkk the police are looking to deflect the bad press onto the mccanns. its the only thing i can think of that makes sense. after all she would have had to be invisible to be able to take a body anywhere and anyway in the heat they have had there the smell would have been everywhere had they stashed a body. i am shocked beyond belief. i never really took much notice until this afternoon. don't they think this family has enough on their plates already?
aww i just realised i have already posted a bit earlier haven't i :(

[baileybiggles]

I dont believe they did it either and yes the police have made cock up after cock up
so i think they are just grasping at straws here and trying to make themselves look good
as you say how could she have been moved about under the eye of all the press its just ridiculas

[lyn]

also if they think she accidently died because of an overdose of sedative where would the blood come from? if the blood was found in the car then who hired the car before the mccanns? nothing adds up.

[Jan/Billy]

I am frightened they are going to try & frame her . Wouldn't trust the police over there as far as i could throw them to be honest.

[lyn]

do you think they will jan? its a very scary thought but i keep thinking of that fella who was an official suspect. nothing came of that did it. hopefully its just a stunt by the police who have no clue what they are doing and so are compensating for their sorry lack of information.

[lyn]

maddies dad is now an official suspect too.

[Jan/Billy]

do you think they will jan? its a very scary thought but i keep thinking of that fella who was an official suspect. nothing came of that did it. hopefully its just a stunt by the police who have no clue what they are doing and so are compensating for their sorry lack of information.


I think the police are capable of anything. They are under a lot of pressure to get this resolved so it wouldn't surprise me at all :04:

[Aearoniel]

THing is you don't know what questions the police have been asking them, and the only way they could ask these questions was by making them suspects. It's a way of getting more information, I'm some one who believes they are responsible for what happened to her even if it is just because they left her alone to go out, you wouldn't do that here it's not legal so why would you do it there? A very irresponsible move and their fault that some one could have done anything to all three kids.

[Jan/Billy]

they left her alone to go out, you wouldn't do that here it's not legal so why would you do it there?


It isn't illegal to do this in the uk

[Alpha]

Behave it must be you can't just go out and leave 3 unders 5's in by themselves.

[Helen]

just curious Jan - why are you so sure it's nothing to do with the parents...i have to admit from day 1 that i thought at some stage it will come back round to them. I don't know why, the whole thing has never felt 'right' to me - but i would be happy to be proved wrong.

[Jan/Billy]

Behave it must be you can't just go out and leave 3 unders 5's in by themselves.


No , there is no clear cut law. You can be prosecuted but it's quite tricky and unlikely.

Although I don't agree with what they did by leaving the kids alone. I think there is a big difference in leaving them in bed in a family holiday complex in a small portugese town whilst you have dinner afew yards away, than leaving them infront of the tv in Machester with a bag of sweets whilst you go and get bladdered at the local!

[Jan/Billy]

just curious Jan - why are you so sure it's nothing to do with the parents...i have to admit from day 1 that i thought at some stage it will come back round to them. I don't know why, the whole thing has never felt 'right' to me - but i would be happy to be proved wrong.


Because the whole thing has been a shambles right from day one. I think the lack of leads to finding Madeleine are due to the crap Portuges police system.They cocked up & now their country is suffering as a result & they need to find closure to this quickly - I wouldn't be surprised if they are framing the Mccanns. They are not like our police, they don't even have a DNA database for goodness sake! They are not equiped or experienced to deal with this kind of thing. Had this happened in the UK and it was our police investigating from day one then I'd be much more inclined to believe it was them. I remember a few days after she disappeared one of the top uk crime specialists was critising everything the portugese police had done , he said they haven't a clue what they are doing.

Do you remember when forensics were at the apartment without any protective clothing on? the british police were going mad saying it was so wrong and very ameturist.


They have gone to way too much effort, the blog, the website, the fundraising, the pope , living in Portugal etc etc for them to be guilty in my eyes. They would have cracked by now. Why would they murder their own child? and if they wanted to then why this way, why not hire a boat and push her overboard in an "accident" or something. And the sedation theory doesn't add up. If they were finding it difficult to cope why not employ a nanny or childminder - lets face it they would have been able to afford it. It just doesn't add up at all.

[Helen]

i agree that the portugese police have made a right cock up of the investigation but I'm still not convinced that the parents had nothing to do with it.

thing is we'll probably never know now, and the continual battering of the portugese police (particularly by the english police, who, lets face it, have made some pretty horrendous mistakes themselves over the years and have caused massive miscarriages of justice ) will lead them to make assumptions to get some credibility back. Having said that I don't think at this stage of the case I can't see why they would be introducing fake evidence with the eyes of the world everywhere, and if they are they are even more incapable than i thought - which is entirely possible.

I think the Portugese police should have had the McCanns as formal suspects from the first day - after all that is EXACTLY what would have happened in the UK, and from crime statistics for good reason too. I also think that the Portugese are not as open as the Police over here, and we don't actually know much about the investigation or what actually has gone on - whereas we know every little detail about the McCanns.

And as for Maddie coming back, I don't think (sadly) that this will ever happen - I haven't thought it from the start :04:

[Jan/Billy]

thing is we'll probably never know now.......

I think the Portugese police should have had the McCanns as formal suspects from the first day - after all that is EXACTLY what would have happened in the UK.....And as for Maddie coming back, I don't think (sadly) that this will ever happen - I haven't thought it from the start :04:

I agree :04:

[lyn]

i agree they should have been suspects (officially) from the start but, i fear somethings going on that we don't know about yet.
in all honesy i cannot believe devout catholics would in this situation go and meet the pope if they had anything to do with her disapearance(sp). i mean, he is the next best thing t GOD in their eyes. surely no one, no matter how desperate would do that. they'll be struck down dead.

[Helen]

so many heinous crimes are committed around in the world in the name of religion - to be perfectly honest i don't think this comes into it, and to be cynical this would be exactly the type of behaviour you would use to deflect any smidgens of guilt.

i think that being devout nowadays has little bearing on the qualities of a person...i mean i don't go to church and i am luflee :11: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lyn]

i don't go to church,(and i know you're lovely) but i believe. i am not catholic but tbh there is no way ever that i would lie to a priest/vicar let alone the pope. if they have anything to do with maddie dying(i don't believe she is alive) then they will be safer in portugal i think. a lot of people have donated money to the fund the parents or family set up.what will happen to that?
i just don't know what to believe anymore. the parents leaving the kids alone was beyond stupid and i do think this seems to have been swept under the carpet. i also believe if it had been an ordinary working class family then these parents would have been crucified by the press.

[Helen]

me neither lyn, i wish the truth would come out.

[lyn]

i suppose the sedation thing is possible. if they made a mistake. it could have been that both parents gave maddie a dose without the other realising. i still don't know what they could have done with her body tho. unless they threw her over the nearby cliffs. surely they wouldn't have been so callous?

[Jan/Billy]

i still don't know what they could have done with her body tho. unless they threw her over the nearby cliffs. surely they wouldn't have been so callous?


I don't see how they could have got rid of her body so quickly.

Why the need for sedation? Surely as doctors they would know the risks involved in sedation? that's why I don't buy it.

[lyn]

i have no idea what has happened jan. i am just "thinking" what could have happened but like you can see i am also saying why i think it couldn't work.
it does all come back to how they could have disposed of the body. i can see no way around this problem unless she was never in that room that evening.
just realised that the police needed to ask certain questions and thats why they are now suspects. (some red tape thing over there). if this is true then i am ow even more confused. why were the questions not asked at the beginning.
its all a major cock up. the parents, the police and even the press.
i would like nothing more than to one day hear that she has been found alive and well somewhere. i just don't think it will be the case :cry:

[Jan/Billy]

i would like nothing more than to one day hear that she has been found alive and well somewhere.


oh I know, that would be just marvelous woldn't it. Sadly though even if she was found, she'll never be the little girl that they put to bed that night. The trauma she will have suffered must have damaged her.

i know this sounds awful but I'd rather they find her dead than never found at all. If she isn't found there is always the likely hood that she is with some sick evil pheodophiles somewhere & will be for the rest of her days :04:

[lyn]

i agree jan. i have been to scared to say that before but the thought of what that baby could be going through at the hands of some sicko freaks me out. there are much much worse things than death.

[Jan/Billy]

i agree jan. i have been to scared to say that before but the thought of what that baby could be going through at the hands of some sicko freaks me out. there are much much worse things than death.


and the worst thing is is that her parents will be aware of that too. I mean can you imagine the horror??

[lyn]

i know, if it were me i would be insane by now. i have no doubt that i would be unable to function. if this is/was maddies fate and its proven then i do think the guilt will finish her mother off. i know it ould me.

[Jan/Billy]

i know, if it were me i would be insane by now. i have no doubt that i would be unable to function. if this is/was maddies fate and its proven then i do think the guilt will finish her mother off. i know it ould me.


I think it's a good job they have the twins otherwise I think they would have had a breakdown by now

[lyn]

i do think that people are turning on the parents very quickly. i am actually quite shocked at some things i have read. i wouldn't mind but a while back a lot of the same people were sympathising with the mccanns.
i am trying to keep an open mind. we don't know whats gone/going on and because of that i think we should be more aware of how differently things are done in portugal.
some say that because the police havnamed them witnesses then they must have evidence but, i disagree. if they had evidence why offer her a deal to confess :11:

[Alpha]

there are much worse things that could happen to her than being murdered...It would be incredible if she was like the Ben Needham in Greece and at least there would still be hope that some deranged "parents" have taken her as their own.
But it is one of those situations where it just doesn't seem quite right.
The whole worlds media is focused on this little girl, so why hasn't she been found by now...There has never been a campaign like this before.
I think as a parent I would need to know if she was dead and to be able to bury my child just look what not being able to lay her son to rest has done to Winnie Bennett (I think that is her name Keith Bennets mum).
I don't think if anything happened to Luke that i could carry on, I can't begin to imagine the horror that the McCanns are going through...either way if they were involved it would be the biggest burden of guilt anyone could carry..but if she has been abducted then the thoughts they must have every minute of the day would be torture.

[lyn]

i know, if it were me i would be insane by now. i have no doubt that i would be unable to function. if this is/was maddies fate and its proven then i do think the guilt will finish her mother off. i know it ould me.


I think it's a good job they have the twins otherwise I think they would have had a breakdown by now it wouldn't make it easier jan, in some ways having the babies would be harder to deal with. if they ve nothing to do with her disapearance then i admire the pair of them. they are being extremely brave and focused which is more than i can say for some others involved.

[Jan/Billy]

I was listening to some of the locals earlier on the news. What they were saying disgusted me.

"they are damaging the reputation of Portugal" "nothing ever happens here, it's the safest place to be, no one could have taken her" " "they are damaging our trade" "wish they would go home, sick of hearing about it"


Do these people not realise that a child is missing? !!!??? :02: :02:

[lyn]

they thought soham was a safe place too. some were blaming the parents then as well. sometimes i admit i think the parents know more than they are saying but mostly i don't think they had anything to do with it.
you are right jan, people are losing fcus on what this is all about. a little baby girl lost out there somewhere. :cry:

[lyn]

omg i just popped into the other place to see whats being said there. it feels very hostile in that thread about maddie :cry:

[Michelle]

Im sure that thread will be locked pretty damn quick if it carries on! people are entitled to their own opinions, mine is that I don't think the Mcanns had anything to do with Maddie's disappearance and that the portugese police are under so much pressure from the worlds media that they are clutching desperately at straws. The whole investigation has been a sham from start to finish, there should be a law that lets the british police take control when british nationals are involved. I'm not saying our legal system is any better than anywhere else but I think our forensic experts would of done a better job, I also dont think that the wall of silence the Portugese police have put up, regarding this investigation has done them any favours at all. I sadly don't think that we will see Maddie again but sincerely hope that someone is brought to justice.

[Jan/Billy]

omg i just popped into the other place to see whats being said there. it feels very hostile in that thread about maddie :cry:


I am shocked by the way the thread went Lyn. I don't believe for a minute that all of them suspected the parents from day one, I just don't buy it at all.

I keep thinking about her poor parents, sat in their apartment waiting to see if they are going to be charged with murder. It's the worst think imaginable.

[Michelle]

If you read back to the original post on there, I think we may find the ammount of support the Mcanns got was 100% huge turnaround there then !!!

[lyn]

i think jan, people forget that as doctors they have learned to keep their emotions under wraps. i do think they look haggard tho and don't understand some others when they say all she does is her hair or something like that. would people think better of her if she looked minging? no! they would then say it must be a guilty consience that has made her fall to peices.
sarah payne(not sure of the spelling) was very strong throughout the search for her daughter.everyone is entitled to their opinion, rhona w has maintained her thoughts from the beginning, she hasn't just changed her mind because of the events in the past day or so. same as jools. i respect that.i am sad that some are so confident with what the press have to say. do they not remember "the sun" and what it said about the liverpool fans at hillsborough on that awful day.its easy for people to just go with the majority but surely now they should be asking themselves what THEY themselves really think.

[Michelle]

its easy for people to just go with the majority but surely now they should be asking themselves what THEY themselves really think.

They dont think Lyn, they just go with the flow. Some people are scared to give their own opinions in case it's not what everybody else agrees with, its easier to jump on the mud slinging, life destroying band wagon.

[Jan/Billy]

i think jan, people forget that as doctors they have learned to keep their emotions under wraps.


Yes I think you are absolutely right there Lyn.

[Ladylola]

Just been reported on Sky news That the mcanns phone in portugal was bugged by the Police. Also E mails which they sent and received. Don't know what evidence this has thrown up.

[stumpy]

Hey, I thought the site was closing threads relevant to this case due to the amount of shite out there. Come on folks....give it a rest eh?? Come on moderators, can you close this thread......enough already!!!

[Michelle]

Ok stumpy! will lock it cos there is way too much speculation surrounding this case.