gonna get slated now i think. on the other forum.

[lyn]

i just put a post on col that may upset some people. i was defending the OP on a hard decision she has had to make. i may just need some body armour :lol: it was meant to be supportive but it may upset some others that have tried to be helpful.

[Angela]

can you post of link of COL... I'm just curious to see what it's all about now :?:

[Simon]

Better hope Pammy doesn't deal with it. She's the worlds words moderator.

And whats all that crap about removing links on their forum? Apparently two links to this forum were removed because they weren't about spaniels! Despite the fact there is a "general chat" type forum. Really badly managed forum I think!

[Alpha]

Oye rebel what have you done now? Go girl.
tell em to do one....
you could get Si to put a dog forum on and we can all defect, and leave them to get on with there shocking behavour.

[Simon]

Hey, im happy to put a forum up for spaniels if its what is required. No problem with that at all.

Stick by your guns Lyn.... take no crap from them. Of course, all they will do is ban you and hide the evidence.... seems to be the order of the day.

[Simon]

I am however, interested to know what it was all about!

:mrgreen:

[Alpha]

Lyn very kindly sent me the link to this site as i had had 3 posts pulled this week....its really a very narrow minded view they have on there, and if your user names fits you can post what you like. They act like abunch of WI maiden aunts.
So yeah if you put a spaniel forum on it saves me having to go on there and read a lot of self gratifying, opinionated c*** from people who obviously have nothing better to do. I feel like I know people from there better after an hour on here as they are allowed to speak there mind and air the problems and grievenances,
:idea: I know you want to increase the users but can we have a "banned" list

[Simon]

Lol.... who would you ban?

I've opened a new forum for spaniel chat. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to improve things for you all.

[Beth]

Lyn very kindly sent me the link to this site as i had had 3 posts pulled this week....

Oooh tell more, what was it that was terrible enough to require deleting? :roll:

[Simon]

Lets be honest. It doesn't even take something terrible!

It amazes me that more people haven't complained. mind you, that forum IS a niche forum - so perhaps people think there aren't any alternatives. Spaniel forum now added to our own list, just in case!

:geek: <--- geekoid!

[Beth]

I've opened a new forum for spaniel chat. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to improve things for you all.

Can it be just general dog chat? I just think it's maybe a little mean to exclude those not blessed with dangly ears... :?:

[lyn]

ok this is what happened.
krisdt took on a rescue dog last week. things hadn't worked out and i posted telling her i was very sorry and that she shouldn't blame herself coz at least she tried.
then some others posted that basically they thought the dog needed more time to settle. fair enough some dogs do take time to settle but then someone else came on and said the same then someone else etc. anyway i got a bit fed up coz you don't make the decision to return a dog to rescue without a lot of heartache and soul searching and thats basicaly what i posted. after all as one had already mentioned, we didn't know all the facts. i did know that krisdt had been looking for a rescue for a while now. anyway i was really gearing up for my high horse when krisdt posted saying that it was the lady at the rescue who thought it best the dog be returned so that has basicaly put an end to it.
i hate hate hate self righteous(ok i can't spell that word) people who make a hard situation harder to deal with.
as alpha knows i had a post pulled last week that was mild compared to some that had been posted. it has wound me up no end and my days on col are numbered. i am just waiting for the right post now so i can go with a bang. i will save my last post until the wee hours so some get a chance to read it before its deleted by super mod :lol:

[Simon]

God, I can't stand people like that either. Like it wasn't hard enough already for the poor woman.

Bloody idiots.... there's one on every forum! (except this one of course)... lol

Good on you Lyn. Don't take any crap!

[Alpha]

the tamest was a smutty joke, then i ran a post called "if you could ...would you" about if you could get a really good photographer who would take pics of yor dog in its favourite place etc etc..is it something you would be intersted in just to see how many people would want a "decent" pic of their dog, i did it to show a friend that if she really wanted to turn it into more than a hobby she could (apparently jane said it was a blatant advert for another member) And to make matters worse the PM i meant to go to Cazza with some swearing in about Mods pulling it I managed to send to Jane by mistake 8-) and one that I wanted to post about a certain members view that working cockers should only ever go to working homes as pet homes are not good enough for them. that was pulled as it was offensive to said member and like minded members who shared their views on working cockers in pet homes.
I just think that unless you share their very narrow minded views they do everything they can to discourage you using the site.
Thanks Si, for the spaniel bit I'm sure this will get lots of people on board as loads of tehma have the same feelings as i do.
I have just PM'd the link to here to the guys who i contact from "cocks" so that i don't have to bother going on there again.

[Simon]

Well like I said before, anything that people need - just let me know in the suggestion forum. I'll try to accomodate people as much as possible. The more popular the forum gets, the better. I just want somewhere that people can hang out and not worry about other spoiling their discussions.

I don't care about advertising (as long as it's reasonable content) or anything else along those lines. Do what you want. Say what you want. This place belongs to those who use it, end of story.

[lyn]

ooh i was so mad when alphas post got pulled about the working cockers. i posted this fantastic answer and it disapeared along with the whole of alphas post. i spent ages looking for it coz i was quite proud of the adult and civil way i had worded it. i had to pm alpha to see where it was only to be told it had been deleted :evil: i was gutted coz that was some good points i'd gotten across.
alpha then had the good idea of posting a topic called pet hates that we just carried on from the other topic. oddly its still there.
sorry for this next bit but, shocker wocker shocker wocker ahhh heaven :lol:

sorry alpha but i didn't know you had sent a pm to jane by mistake :lol: :lol: thats made my day :lol: :lol:

[Michelle]

ok this is what happened.
krisdt took on a rescue dog last week. things hadn't worked out and i posted telling her i was very sorry and that she shouldn't blame herself coz at least she tried.
then some others posted that basically they thought the dog needed more time to settle. fair enough some dogs do take time to settle but then someone else came on and said the same then someone else etc. anyway i got a bit fed up coz you don't make the decision to return a dog to rescue without a lot of heartache :

Lyn that is exactly why I didn't post when I rescued Sky and had to return her four days later, I tried my hardest to settle her but she was nine and making herself ill, I didn't make the decision lightly and felt bad enough already. I knew that if I posted on COL I would of had the same narrow minded people giving their twopence worth, and basically I couldnt be arsed with them, most of the people on there are really nice but the few idiots ruin it for everyone :evil:

[Alpha]

yes and this is her reply...she must of really had to moderate what she really wanted to say

Language Alpha Don't think much to your manners but am assuming you didn't actually mean to send this PM to me.
COL's rules are clear - we don't allow advertising anywhere except on the Shopping board and then only subject to permission being granted.


I can feel a Jim Royle coming on .....Me Arse

[Meerkat]

And to make matters worse the PM i meant to go to Cazza with some swearing in about Mods pulling it I managed to send to Jane by mistake 8-).

Thought you were gonna get banned for that ;)



Yeah but the blinking link wasn't on the PM that you sent to your pals on the other site, :twisted: so the Pm's you are sending are obviously being moderated :evil:

But I knew which site you meant anyway :)

[Alpha]

Yeah but the blinking link wasn't on the PM that you sent to your pals on the other site, so the Pm's you are sending are obviously being moderated


Funnily enough its not on any i sent, it could be becoz I is fick as surely they are not allowed to view PM's are they?

[Meerkat]

Yeah but the blinking link wasn't on the PM that you sent to your pals on the other site, so the Pm's you are sending are obviously being moderated
[quote:e7000]
Funnily enough its not on any i sent, it could be becoz I is fick as surely they are not allowed to view PM's are they?[/quote:e7000]

As they are a rule to themselves nothing would surprise me :twisted:

[lyn]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
i bet they thought you were gonna recomend penel :lol: was it sheryl you were thinking of? she is quite new so they would have pulled it anyway :evil:
there are some hypocrites there for sure.

michele, you can only try with rescues. Andy my lovely foster proved that recently. he was fine here and no trouble but he bit right through his new owners hand. it was quite bad but he was here again yesterday and no trouble at all. some settle and some don't. the fact that you tried with sky is wonderful and you should never be made to feel bad because it didn't work. i would have defended your decision to the end. its hard to do the right thing for the dog if you think you will be slated for it. krisdt isn't the first to be made to feel bad and she won't be the last. what i was annoyed about is that the mods never said or did anything to that post and i found it very offensive as did krisdt. i know coz she just pm'd me.

[baileybiggles]

I was just thinking that do they check our PM s too and if they do how can you call them Personal messages :o
I had a photo I put on removed this week as they said the person in the back was not wearing enough :shock: :shock:
but I checked it and only there legs are showing ;)
and when i first came on and asked about using Bailey for Stud :shock: :shock:
I thought I had commited a sin :shock: :shock: but Then I had PM from a few people who I chat too daily who really helped me so thats why I stay on.
But I know there is some stuck up :shock: :shock: ...ches on COL who really ruin threads like the one I put up about Alpha's stolen Poo everyone else was having a good laugh about it :D till a certain person had to stick her usuall slant on things and spoil it

[Simon]

Im putting money on Pammy?

or that other woman who had an issue with my astrological readings? The one who caused all the problem in the first place... god what was her name again?

My money is still on Pammy! :-) Me and here are like peas in a pod. I think she may fancy me, but not sure....

EDIT: It's entirely possible for them to snoop private messages but unlikely. They would need some tech skill to put a mod on the forum which allowed them that sort of access. It's scummy if they did though. PMs are there because they are private.

[lyn]

what stolen poo??????? aww did i miss another good one :cry:
you can post your rudey pic here if you want.
i am absolutely flabbergasted at the modding going on there lately. do you thinkl they've been overtaken by prim and proper aliens :lol:

[Alpha]

don't even go there with Lils stalker.

[Simon]

This is better than Neighbours!

Keep it comin'..... :twisted: :twisted:

[Meerkat]

Aaaarrrrrggggh

this other forum that we are talking about is going to the dogs :lol: :lol: (ooops is that allowed :?: yeah Simon and lyn def won't edit my post of that surely :lol: )

[Simon]

Nah. Safe enuf here! :)

[Helen]

i'm sorry if you disagreed with me Lyn about my post - i don't think i'm self righteous but if you all do then you're entitled to your opinions.... i think the rescue should have backed her up more and perhaps given it more time than a week or perhaps had put the dog in a more experienced foster home to assess her - now the dog is being pushed from pillar to post, and will end up crated all day in the rescue until yet another foster home is found.

I feel for Krisdt, but I also feel for the dog....and I stand by what I said, sometimes it can take much longer than a week for things to settle down with rescue dogs...

[lyn]

actually helen it wasn't your posts i was annoyed at. like me you have little experience of rehoming rescue dogs or fostering. it was penny's post that really got to me. as i said in my post here i agree that some dogs take time to settle. but, we also know that some dogs have a honeymoon period and if rayna was such a dog then there were going to be more problems along the way. krisdt was made to feel bad by those posts and that was so unfair.
as for the rescue then yeah i fully agree that the dog should have been assessed better and not only a more experienced home found but by the sounds of it a home with no other pets. i am sorry if you think i was getting at you coz i wasn't. penny is very experienced with fostering and she could have been a bit more supportive. krisdt is very upset. she pm'd me earlier this evening thanking me for trying to understand her predicament. in all honesty helen if say, gill or pammy or one of them lot posted a similar thing. nobody would have said anything more than how sorry they were that things didn't work out.

[Meerkat]

Right I'm intervening lol

I not read kristd post on the situation so off to do so I can make a comment ;)

[Helen]

i don't see penny as self righteous - i see her as someone who constantly has to pick up the pieces when fostering/rescuing goes wrong, and it does a lot. Really the OP should not have been allowed to foster/adopt this dog without the dog being assessed properly. And after seeing this happen time and time again with rescues being returned, maybe there would have a been a lot less heartache if the OP had kept it to herself for a while until at least she knew the dog a bit and knew if she was going to stay permanently.

(i also think that the mods are a bit wary of penny, and leave her to it so she will write how she feels ;) )

I know you don't agree with my thoughts on the issue, but at least people like me and Cazzie had the guts this time to question it...it was a change to see both sides of the story - something that was sadly lacking when the 6 month old pup got put down due to alleged 'rage'.......

[Alpha]

i don't know the whole "tale" so I won't comment on the details.
BUT I do agree with Lyn if you are one of the "in crowd" you can post what you like they seem to be so busy licking each others arses and bolstering the own ego's they forget that there are real people behind the user names. People who get frightened, upset and made to look really thick by the likes of IOW, which i have posted about more than once. They have a very powerful tool there and instead of using it to help they use it to make themselves feel good by belittling others.
Obviously there is only a handful of these types but whats the saying about 1rotten apple.

[Helen]

just out of interest do you think i'm in their 'in crowd'?

[Helen]

deathly silence........... :? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lyn]

i don't see penny as self righteous - i see her as someone who constantly has to pick up the pieces when fostering/rescuing goes wrong, and it does a lot. Really the OP should not have been allowed to foster/adopt this dog without the dog being assessed properly. And after seeing this happen time and time again with rescues being returned, maybe there would have a been a lot less heartache if the OP had kept it to herself for a while until at least she knew the dog a bit and knew if she was going to stay permanently.

(i also think that the mods are a bit wary of penny, and leave her to it so she will write how she feels ;) )

I know you don't agree with my thoughts on the issue, but at least people like me and Cazzie had the guts this time to question it...it was a change to see both sides of the story - something that was sadly lacking when the 6 month old pup got put down due to alleged 'rage'.......
like you say helen fostering rehoming goes wrong a lot. penny of all people should know that and maybe she could be more understanding when it does. its not always the rehomers fault but it seems that people asume it is. i know she picks up the pieces afterwards but in this case she didn't know all the circumstanses and i agree it lies at the feet of the rescue.
as for the OP keeping it to herself, why should she do that? so that it could be swept under the carpet and pretend it never happened. helen i am surprised at that coment. all dogs and people are different its not one size fits all. some rehomings work and some don't. thats a fact of life.
as for that poor little puppy that was supposed to have rage. my thoughts on that i cannot put even here on this forum.
i do remember helen1 being jumped on after she tried to rehome a cocker from rescue she posted to say that the dog had barked and protected her other dog. she was more than a bit offended with the response she got.
i also remember clearly how awful it is when you know things are not going to work out with a foster or rehome. i remember crying buckets all over xmas when it didn't work with bayley. i will always feel bad about that.

[lyn]

just out of interest do you think i'm in their 'in crowd'?
no helen, i don't think you're one of the in crowd. you own a pet wocker so how could you be. ;)
not deathly silence, just a slow connection for me tonight.

[Alpha]

Sorry honey i was just putting Luke in bed....not ignoring you.
aren't you Livercake...if you are then No I don't but you probably are on this site. It sounds like I have an axe to grind but it is usually people like {removed by administrator} that say really nasty things especially to the newbies, and {removed by administrator} has said some really condescending things as well.

[lyn]

i don't know the whole "tale" so I won't comment on the details.
BUT I do agree with Lyn if you are one of the "in crowd" you can post what you like they seem to be so busy licking each others arses and bolstering the own ego's they forget that there are real people behind the user names. People who get frightened, upset and made to look really thick by the likes of IOW, which i have posted about more than once. They have a very powerful tool there and instead of using it to help they use it to make themselves feel good by belittling others.
Obviously there is only a handful of these types but whats the saying about 1rotten apple.well alpha, i must be really thick for forgetting that others forget its humans behind the usernames and not robots. maybe i am just over sensitive to other peoples feelings :cry:

[Meerkat]

i don't know the whole "tale" so I won't comment on the details.
BUT I do agree with Lyn if you are one of the "in crowd" you can post what you like they seem to be so busy licking each others arses and bolstering the own ego's they forget that there are real people behind the user names. People who get frightened, upset and made to look really thick by the likes of IOW, which i have posted about more than once. They have a very powerful tool there and instead of using it to help they use it to make themselves feel good by belittling others.
Obviously there is only a handful of these types but whats the saying about 1rotten apple.

I'm very sorry to everyone ....... but I have to agree totally that certain people get away with saying what they like on that forum and others do get frightened and feel belittled ... i have had numerous peeps on that forum pm me and then go and hide to be able to view

I also have been belittled on there -and treated as tho I know nothing about dogs - I know alot about dogs but not too much about cockers (as have my first and as with anything new it is a learning curve)

[lyn]

i don't know the whole "tale" so I won't comment on the details.
BUT I do agree with Lyn if you are one of the "in crowd" you can post what you like they seem to be so busy licking each others arses and bolstering the own ego's they forget that there are real people behind the user names. People who get frightened, upset and made to look really thick by the likes of IOW, which i have posted about more than once. They have a very powerful tool there and instead of using it to help they use it to make themselves feel good by belittling others.
Obviously there is only a handful of these types but whats the saying about 1rotten apple.

I'm very sorry to everyone ....... but I have to agree totally that certain people get away with saying what they like on that forum and others do get frightened and feel belittled ... i have had numerous peeps on that forum pm me and then go and hide to be able to view

I also have been belittled on there -and treated as tho I know nothing about dogs - I know alot about dogs but not too much about cockers (as have my first and as with anything new it is a learning curve) don't be sorry for your views cazza. you and alpha have hit the nail on the head ;) col used to be ok and then something happened along the way and it just turned wierd. i have to hold my hands up and say that i too have been more than smug on there sometimes but i seemed to get caught up in it all. thankfully i have recently realised i was in danger of becoming embroiled in the very thing i abhor. i have never in my life been afraid to speak my mind but somehow i turned into some kind of smug monster. i look back on some of my posts and it shames me to think i wrote them. i just went with what was expected. well no more, i will say what i want from now on and if someone disagrees with me then thats fine too. we all have a right to think and do as we please. col is a cauldron of playground politics. this place is much better coz if any of us gets a bit snotty then alpha will pull us down a peg :lol: sorry for the crap spellings. i'm a bit fed up now and can't be bothered to correct them.

[Alpha]

this place is much better coz if any of us gets a bit snotty then alpha will pull us down a peg
Thats only because i want you all down in the gutter with me and my sense of humour. I love a good debate I am trying to think of one last hand grenade to throw in there before i pack Lillys kitbag and leave the to there arse licking (the bitches not their dogs)

[lyn]

this place is much better coz if any of us gets a bit snotty then alpha will pull us down a peg
Thats only because i want you all down in the gutter with me and my sense of humour. I love a good debate I am trying to think of one last hand grenade to throw in there before i pack Lillys kitbag and leave the to there arse licking (the bitches not their dogs)ooh alpha, great minds do think alike :lol: i've been racking my brains for the past hour.

[Alpha]

I'm sure we will come up with something. give me time to think about it.

[lyn]

we could do a double whammy at least one of our posts will be up for a few minutes then :lol:

[Helen]

back again....

ermmm the only reason i mentioned keeping quiet for a week or 2 is that i know how hard fostering/adopting a rescue can be, and you do open yourself up to people's opinions if it all goes wrong. I guess although i can share a lot online with people, i'm not as open as others can be, and i think this is self preservation (especially on other forums...)

here's how i see it (and i do not put any blame on the OP at all)

young dog has rotten life with owners that don't understand breed etc
dog is placed in rescue (and in crate a good proportion of day)
eager and willing fosterer comes along to pick up dog (has dog that has just had op, i guess neutered?)
falls in love with dog, no surprise, so would i
agrees to adopt dog
takes dog home
foster dog is stressed and nervous and has some kind of tummy issues and has vet treatment
existing dog is understandably a bit put out about another dog being there, esp. as he's just had an op, and is used to all the attention.
new dog doesn't know boundaries, hasn't lived with another dog, doesn't cope very well
new parents are worried about behaviour, call rescue for guidance
rescue says bring dog back
dog back in crate
cycle starts again...and problems increase

'fraid on this one i'm on the dog's side, no apologies there....and i do feel very sorry that Krisdt has been put through this.

i'm not in the in-crowd, but i'm also not afraid to speak my mind - i have had posts removed but i don't bother making a fuss because on the whole i find it ridiculous. I also managed to get on the wrong side of a show cocker person and was almost hissed off the site a few months back for daring to suggest that a docking website which was very 'pro' should be balanced by an equally pro-docking site, which upset this person, which in turn led to her threatening to leave, and me becoming enemy no. 1.

and i also DARE to have a happy PET wocker.

(and yus alpha, me livercake, and me thinks you should have been told about the neutering/spaying 'rule' BEFORE you were given the pre-adoption form to fill in .....to also save a lot of pain.....)

and remember folks, people can read this forum without being a member...dunno if that concerns and of you in any way - tis why on another dog forum the person set it up only to be read if you are a member....

[Michelle]

and remember folks, people can read this forum without being a member...dunno if that concerns and of you in any way - tis why on another dog forum the person set it up only to be read if you are a member....

If anybody on this forum was at all bothered about other people reading the posts, they wouldnt post!

The fact is that every rehoming case is different and unless the said people are actually in that situation, then their opinions are basically just that, their opinions. Whatever people want to read into that is up to them, but having been in Kridsts position I can only sympathise with her and I do agree that the majority of people on COL are very condescending.
Also it seems to be stirring up a lot more heat over here than it does on COL, bring it on ladies! :lol:

[lyn]

back again....

ermmm the only reason i mentioned keeping quiet for a week or 2 is that i know how hard fostering/adopting a rescue can be, and you do open yourself up to people's opinions if it all goes wrong. I guess although i can share a lot online with people, i'm not as open as others can be, and i think this is self preservation (especially on other forums...)

here's how i see it (and i do not put any blame on the OP at all)

young dog has rotten life with owners that don't understand breed etc
dog is placed in rescue (and in crate a good proportion of day)
eager and willing fosterer comes along to pick up dog (has dog that has just had op, i guess neutered?)
falls in love with dog, no surprise, so would i
agrees to adopt dog
takes dog home
foster dog is stressed and nervous and has some kind of tummy issues and has vet treatment
existing dog is understandably a bit put out about another dog being there, esp. as he's just had an op, and is used to all the attention.
new dog doesn't know boundaries, hasn't lived with another dog, doesn't cope very well
new parents are worried about behaviour, call rescue for guidance
rescue says bring dog back
dog back in crate
cycle starts again...and problems increase

'fraid on this one i'm on the dog's side, no apologies there....and i do feel very sorry that Krisdt has been put through this.

i'm not in the in-crowd, but i'm also not afraid to speak my mind - i have had posts removed but i don't bother making a fuss because on the whole i find it ridiculous. I also managed to get on the wrong side of a show cocker person and was almost hissed off the site a few months back for daring to suggest that a docking website which was very 'pro' should be balanced by an equally pro-docking site, which upset this person, which in turn led to her threatening to leave, and me becoming enemy no. 1.

and i also DARE to have a happy PET wocker.

(and yus alpha, me livercake, and me thinks you should have been told about the neutering/spaying 'rule' BEFORE you were given the pre-adoption form to fill in .....to also save a lot of pain.....)

and remember folks, people can read this forum without being a member...dunno if that concerns and of you in any way - tis why on another dog forum the person set it up only to be read if you are a member....your eg sounds very like bayleys story helen, he couldn't stay with me it was clear almost from the moment he walked in the door. yet, if i hadn't have had him that day he would have been pts :cry: therefore our failure was of no consequence(sp) he is not only in a new home he is famously in a most fantastic home. i still think fate played a hand for him. no rescue can see into the future. some homes work and some don't. i am always on the dogs side. i won't even justify that.
i don't care who sees this post either. i do worry that there could someone who is thinking of taking on a rescue dog who will see the post on col and be put off by the responses there. how awful would that be? there could be someone there thinking of taking on a rescue dog and able to give it a wonderful life only to be put off by some of those posts. krisdt may have been put off for life after reading them.
therefore i have absolutely nothing to worry about when it comes to people reading this.

[lyn]

and remember folks, people can read this forum without being a member...dunno if that concerns and of you in any way - tis why on another dog forum the person set it up only to be read if you are a member....

If anybody on this forum was at all bothered about other people reading the posts, they wouldnt post!

The fact is that every rehoming case is different and unless the said people are actually in that situation, then their opinions are basically just that, their opinions. Whatever people want to read into that is up to them, but having been in Kridsts position I can only sympathise with her and I do agree that the majority of people on COL are very condescending.
Also it seems to be stirring up a lot more heat over here than it does on COL, bring it on ladies! :lol: thats because we can talk freely here michele. ;)

[Simon]

Oh oh.... I want to be part of the in-crowd. SOunds like a brill club!

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Ok. I'll shush now.....

[Meerkat]

Oh oh.... I want to be part of the in-crowd. SOunds like a brill club!

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Ok. I'll shush now.....

:lol: :lol:

I'm never ever part of an IN crowd but who cares ;)

[Helen]

if you all hate it so much why waste so much energy on it bitching? why not just leave?

[Michelle]

I personally was not bitching, just stating that there are a few cliques on COL, the majority of people on there are really nice and the way the forum is moderated is absolutely ridiculous! as for leaving WHY? :shock:

[Alpha]

I actually think it is a rather good forum and I have met some people on there that are really nice and that i would like to keep in touch with for a long time.
As I said it is just the attitude of a few that spoil it for others. Instead of all the condescending shite they should perhaps phrase things a bit better. Its not too bad for those of us that have confidence in our experience and ability but some of the newbies come under attack and thats not nice. Yes some people don't do any research, they get dogs on a whim, they get the wrong breed or my pet hate one of the new "designer crossbreeds", but at the end of the day we all go on for the same things. Namely, advice, reassurance and a little bit of ego stroking about or dogs as well as to build up friendships with people who share the same views and values.
I am hoping that this site will provide all this and be able to help people now the doggie chat forum is set up.
How many people given an alternative would bother going on there....? I for one would be happy to leave them too it if the people I like from COL come on here, thats the only reason i go on there now.
I now sound exactly like them don't I, I will go off and have a word with myself.

[MightyMouth]

Well, I am just upset that Lyn thinks I am new. I joined in January 2003 :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Simon]

if you all hate it so much why waste so much energy on it bitching? why not just leave?

More to the point, why are you defending them? If they ran a forum like it should be run, I'D still be there! Forums are about putting your point across. Censorship has no place on them unless things have got out of hand. You can't just delete posts because you dont agree with them.

At any rate, I got booted off TRYING TO LEAVE! They removed my post saying goodbye, so just a warning folks.... if you DO want to leave, post your goodbye messages in PM.

[lyn]

:oops: omg did you????? how come i never noticed you until a few weeks back :oops: damn i need a new brain i think :P
helen, like alpha i like most people on col. i just think sometimes its a bit harsh. what happened yesterday in my eyes was cruel. thats my opinion. to me atm there is no better place to go for good info on the breed and even when i joined after buying paddy and trying to cope with his manic behaviour they were all mostly very nice when they were telling me i had bought from a less then ideal breeder. it was through col i met you and got ellie, like i have said before she is the best thing thats happened to me in a long long time. i actually do think she has kept me from a nervous breakdown recently and is still working her magic now. i love the people on col i just don't understand what is happening there. i do think we are all guilty to some degree but some are more guilty than others iyswim. i will be leaving col sometime today. i can no longer be part of the them and us attitude. most of my friends there, are here now. i will miss some of the stuff on col and certainly some of the advice. i have been given some brilliant tips there. i also feel like i am giving in by walking away which usually i don't do but i'm a bit fed up of having to try to post my thoughts in a way that won't get it deleted :( its a shame whats happening there. they spout on about good breeders and when one comes along who isn't doing it properly and you happen to say something about it(you know what one i'm on about helen) then your post gets deleted :o isn't that double standards? do you think for one second if those puppies were shockers that post would have even lasted long enough for anyone to read it????? there are obviously many more posts being deleted than we thought. i wasn't aware of the spate concerning the docking issue either but i do remember someone saying about there should be a link to the other side of the coin. look at the response i got when i said i think that wockers and shockers should be registered as seperate breeds. i said it would stop a lot of the dodgy breeders mixing them and then selling them on without telling the new owner about the mixture. there are lots of people who have bought such puppies thinking they were getting a show type(i did it) jane wasn't much impressed with that and the thread was locked soon after. i have wondered if the breeders sometimes throw a worker into the show mix to freshen things up a bit and maybe this is why they are so against it. can you think of any other reason why it wouldn't be acceptable. i am not saying any of the col breeders would do it but i do know that a couple of the so called top breeders have in the past. anyway you don't want to read all i have to say on the subject it would bore you. i just feel its a shame that col has turned out as it has. it was a good place to be at one time ;)

[Simon]

See, i've been moderating forums for a long time. And I've learned that if a thread IS getting out of hand, you just lock it. Deleting it makes no sense at all because all of those points of view are lost.

Dictionary.com has the following definition for the word "forum".... "a public meeting or assembly for open discussion" - and thats exactly what it should be - OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. Controlling peoples views about anything leads only to a dictatorship which nobody wants to live with.

Helen - I don't see how you can be happy having had posts deleted on that forum. You took time to express an opinion about something and it was removed. How could that not annoy you? And more importantly, why should you HAVE to live by those rules. You're an individual, with your own thoughts and feelings. Im damn sure if someone told me how to think and speak, i'd tell them to suck my nutsack.

/END_RANT

[Krisdt]

here's how i see it (and i do not put any blame on the OP at all)

young dog has rotten life with owners that don't understand breed etc
dog is placed in rescue (and in crate a good proportion of day)
eager and willing fosterer comes along to pick up dog (has dog that has just had op, i guess neutered?)
falls in love with dog, no surprise, so would i
agrees to adopt dog
takes dog home
foster dog is stressed and nervous and has some kind of tummy issues and has vet treatment
existing dog is understandably a bit put out about another dog being there, esp. as he's just had an op, and is used to all the attention.
new dog doesn't know boundaries, hasn't lived with another dog, doesn't cope very well
new parents are worried about behaviour, call rescue for guidance
rescue says bring dog back
dog back in crate
cycle starts again...and problems increase

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Hiya I was the OP and what you said is not entirely correct

3 year old ex breeding dog
used to living with other dogs
brought to rescue has pups
has op
spends time in a foster home
brought up for rehoming
comes to us
has illness and gets treated for it
once better she starts behaving differently and starts to act very differently towards other dog
Loki has op and she starts really get her back up towards him

oh and btw they dotn keep em in crates at the rescue she has a farm and they have alot of space outside and in for the dogs. Also they have used the info I have given them to reassess what kind of home she requires.

[Simon]

I wouldn't worry about it Kris. Sounds to me like you've done everything you can.

Thanks for joining. Go wild!

[Krisdt]

Cheers Simon, I have intorduced myself on the intros bit now aswell but I thought I would just clear up one or 2 things on my way :)

[happydog]

Doh. Just realised this post is rather longer than I first realised and have answered my own question. Hope idiots are allowed on this forum :lol:

[Jan/Billy]

...it was a change to see both sides of the story - something that was sadly lacking when the 6 month old pup got put down due to alleged 'rage'.......


I would have been absolutely apalled and totally disgusted had they allowed that discussion to take place. I was absolutely furious when the topic started going down that route and i 100% agreed with Jane S decision to lock the thread. Until you have lived day in, day out , with an agressive dog you cannot imagine what it is like. They must have been frantic with worry.

For what it's worth, I think it was more than likely down to inexperienced owners & bad breeding. I don't think it was rage and certainly don't think it should have been diagnosed at such a young age. BUT they have my every sympathy because at the end of the day they sought help from a vet and a behaviourist, both whom advised them, to have their dog PTS. How can we possibly blame them for taking this advise? The blame , in my eyes, lies with these so called professionals who let down both the owners and the poor pup :04:

[Nicola]

I've just caught up with all this. I guess because of what I posted on the Rayna thread on COL I am also one of the sanctimonious crowd who has no regard for people's feelings. In this case though frankly I am more concerned about the dog. As someone who fosters a lot of dogs and has a rescue of my own I stand by what I said on there... I guess that and the fact that I will continue to post on COL ain't gonna make me hugely popular on here... but there you go.

[Simon]

I guess that and the fact that I will continue to post on COL ain't gonna make me hugely popular on here... but there you go.


OMG - thats SO not what we're about Nicola. It makes no odds to anyone here if you continue to post on COL forums. In fact, thats kindof the point we were all trying to make. It's your choice to do what you want to do, and say what you want to say.

You're just as welcome here, ANY TIME. Doesn't matter what other forums you post on!

:12: :12: :12:

[lyn]

jan that was a puppy and in all i think there was just 4 weeks between the dog showing aggression and it being pts. i don't much care what the vet and behaviourist said. 4 weeks is not long enough for a proper rage diagnosis. maybe it was the owners inexperience and bad breeding but i think the owner should have got a second opinion. i did however pm her and pointed her in the direction of a good breeder. i was also very nice and in no way did i say anything to make her feel bad. i have had a vicious dog. i adored him. he ripped my sons face to pieces.

[Jan/Billy]

I've just caught up with all this. I guess because of what I posted on the Rayna thread on COL I am also one of the sanctimonious crowd who has no regard for people's feelings. In this case though frankly I am more concerned about the dog. As someone who fosters a lot of dogs and has a rescue of my own I stand by what I said on there... I guess that and the fact that I will continue to post on COL ain't gonna make me hugely popular on here... but there you go.

I know when I post threads on COL asking for advise etc I want complete honest answers. I wouldn't bother posting if i thought people were telling me what they thought i wanted to hear as opposed to their honest opinion. sometimes I disagree and think to myself what a load of bollocks but I pick out the advice i think is good and ignore the rest.

Having said all of this I haven't read the Rayna thread ( don't have experience of rescue dogs so can't really comment on it anyway ) , am off to do it now ...............

[Nicola]

I guess that and the fact that I will continue to post on COL ain't gonna make me hugely popular on here... but there you go.


OMG - thats SO not what we're about Nicola. It makes no odds to anyone here if you continue to post on COL forums. In fact, thats kindof the point we were all trying to make. It's your choice to do what you want to do, and say what you want to say.

You're just as welcome here, ANY TIME. Doesn't matter what other forums you post on!

:12: :12: :12:

Thanks Simon but some of the posts on this thread are making me think otherwise! I'm wondering if I am part of this 'crowd who can post what they like' on COL or not as 'they' don't seem too popular on here ;)

[Alpha]

No your not Nickers, yes you are out spoken and very direct but thats a good thing IMO. Its all the BS about pulling threads that the old guard don't agree with and the way in which some people make you feel like shit.
You will probably not have a lot of choice as they have banned Jools just for posting on here ....you have been warned LNOL's.

[Jan/Billy]

jan that was a puppy and in all i think there was just 4 weeks between the dog showing aggression and it being pts. i don't much care what the vet and behaviourist said. 4 weeks is not long enough for a proper rage diagnosis. maybe it was the owners inexperience and bad breeding but i think the owner should have got a second opinion. i did however pm her and pointed her in the direction of a good breeder. i was also very nice and in no way did i say anything to make her feel bad. i have had a vicious dog. i adored him. he ripped my sons face to pieces.


I agree it was too young but I think it's totally wrong to blame the owners. Why would they get a second opinion if they truly believed what they had been told? I trust my vet and i also trust my behaviourist. I can't say hand on heart had i been in their shoes that i would not have done the same thing. I wouldn't NOW, because NOW i know so much more, but looking back three and a half years ago, when Billy would have been the same age, I knew hardly anything.

Had they not seen a vet and behaviourist then I'd be blaming them!!!

what happened to your dog that attacked your son?

[Jan/Billy]

I'm wondering if I am part of this 'crowd who can post what they like' on COL or not as 'they' don't seem too popular on here ;)

Nic, you are Honest, and that's what dog forums need. It's too serious a subject for people not to be honest, otherwise what's the point?

[lyn]

omg nic, i cannot believe for one second that you think any of this was aimed at you. i am shocked that you even think it.

[jools]

For what it's worth, I had a lot of email contact with the owner of the wee pup who was PTS. having been through the very same situation, I knew exactly where she was coming from - and Maisey had been showing signs of aggression since a very young age. There was a lot of stuff that was not shared with the forum. Having said all that, there were a couple of things I wasn't comfortable with. The first was the picture of the poor wee soul that remained on the signature....the other was that she was looking for another dog the day after Maisey was PTS.

[lyn]

jan that was a puppy and in all i think there was just 4 weeks between the dog showing aggression and it being pts. i don't much care what the vet and behaviourist said. 4 weeks is not long enough for a proper rage diagnosis. maybe it was the owners inexperience and bad breeding but i think the owner should have got a second opinion. i did however pm her and pointed her in the direction of a good breeder. i was also very nice and in no way did i say anything to make her feel bad. i have had a vicious dog. i adored him. he ripped my sons face to pieces.


I agree it was too young but I think it's totally wrong to blame the owners. Why would they get a second opinion if they truly believed what they had been told? I trust my vet and i also trust my behaviourist. I can't say hand on heart had i been in their shoes that i would not have done the same thing. I wouldn't NOW, because NOW i know so much more, but looking back three and a half years ago, when Billy would have been the same age, I knew hardly anything.

Had they not seen a vet and behaviourist then I'd be blaming them!!!

what happened to your dog that attacked your son? he was pts as you well know jan. i told you ages ago. he had been badly treated as a puppy and no matter what we did he just couldn't relax. i wasn't blaming the owners as such just that i think they should have gotten a second opinion before doing what they did. i think mark or someone had pointed out that some behaviourists were known for not liking cockers. check the thread jan, i never said anything to make that lady feel bad.
before you jump on the pts issue jan then don't bother. what our dog did that day almost killed my son. the dog wasn't rushed to the vet to be pts straight away. we took him to a rescue and explained what had happened. we wanted him to have another chance and be placed with someone who didn't have kids. the rescue put him to sleep. again jan i had already told you that a while ago.
as for rayna, i think if you read that thread again you will see that it was the rescue who decided she should go back and not krisdt. she didn't deserve to be made to feel bad on something she couldn't help.

[baileybiggles]

don't even go there with Lils stalker.
go where with Lils stalker so are we going back to that Idea then not the artist

[jools]

Here's the thing; If you haven't lived with a dog who is so aggressive that they put the safety of your kids at risk, it isn't easy to understand why you would have a beautiful (outwardly) healthy dog PTS.

The reason I did not have Millie rehomed was simple; Millie was not able to control her temper, and there was no way I was going to put her into a situation where she may have been hit for something she couldn't control.

I know a lady who took her very aggressive dog back to the breeder - the right procedure. She was told that the dog would live out the rest of his life with the breeder. To cut a long story short, the dog ended up in a rescue centre and was due to be rehomed to a family with young kids.

We will have to live with Millie's death for the rest of our lives, but at least we know that she is at peace now.

[Jan/Billy]

Jesus!!!! FFS!!!! Chill out Lyn!

If you look at the thread again Lyn, you will see that I haven't commented on the Rayna thread, I don't feel i am in a position to offer my experience as i don't have any! I have only ever had one dog at a time - so I suggest you "check the thread" and don't have a go at me over something I haven't done!!!

I truly apologise for not remembering what happened to your other dog :oops: If i remember rightly we spoke about it via pm well over 12 months ago, in fact it could have been even longer. I speak to lots and lots of people on COL via pm about agressive issues, I can't remember every story sorry, it wasn't a case of "as well you know" , I'd never ever be so cruel.

I am surprised that you are not more understanding of Maisies owners dilema, even if we think that they made the wrong decision. It's very very easy for people to sit back and say they should have done this, they should have done that. You made the decision to have your dog PTS ( fopr what it's worth after an attack like that I'd have probably done the same thing) , you believed it was in it's best interests - i truly believe Maisies owners believed it was in her best interests & I therefore can't blame them for that.


Well it's now perfectly clear to me who it is you don't like on COL!

[Jan/Billy]

Here's the thing; If you haven't lived with a dog who is so aggressive that they put the safety of your kids at risk, it isn't easy to understand why you would have a beautiful (outwardly) healthy dog PTS.

The reason I did not have Millie rehomed was simple; Millie was not able to control her temper, and there was no way I was going to put her into a situation where she may have been hit for something she couldn't control.

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I quite agree !

[lyn]

Here's the thing; If you haven't lived with a dog who is so aggressive that they put the safety of your kids at risk, it isn't easy to understand why you would have a beautiful (outwardly) healthy dog PTS.

The reason I did not have Millie rehomed was simple; Millie was not able to control her temper, and there was no way I was going to put her into a situation where she may have been hit for something she couldn't control.

I know a lady who took her very aggressive dog back to the breeder - the right procedure. She was told that the dog would live out the rest of his life with the breeder. To cut a long story short, the dog ended up in a rescue centre and was due to be rehomed to a family with young kids.

We will have to live with Millie's death for the rest of our lives, but at least we know that she is at peace now.in my eyes jools our dog died because his first owners battered him. we had trainers who tried very hard to help him. nothing worked. he was just 18 months when he savaged my son. i know what its like to live with a vicious dog. which is why i was understanding of the lady in question. also i have to say that after my wonderful oes maisie died,(maisie was not the dog who attacked) i was out searching for another dog straight away. i just can't live without a dog here with me.
iremember crying buckets when you told us all you had had to have millie pts.

[Pink Gundog]

Jesus!!!! FFS!!!! Chill out Lyn!

If you look at the thread again Lyn, you will see that I haven't commented on the Rayna thread, I don't feel i am in a position to offer my experience as i don't have any! I have only ever had one dog at a time - so I suggest you "check the thread" and don't have a go at me over something I haven't done!!!

I truly apologise for not remembering what happened to your other dog :oops: If i remember rightly we spoke about it via pm well over 12 months ago, in fact it could have been even longer. I speak to lots and lots of people on COL via pm about agressive issues, I can't remember every story sorry, it wasn't a case of "as well you know" , I'd never ever be so cruel.

I am surprised that you are not more understanding of Maisies owners dilema, even if we think that they made the wrong decision. It's very very easy for people to sit back and say they should have done this, they should have done that. You made the decision to have your dog PTS ( fopr what it's worth after an attack like that I'd have probably done the same thing) , you believed it was in it's best interests - i truly believe Maisies owners believed it was in her best interests & I therefore can't blame them for that.


Well it's now perfectly clear to me who it is you don't like on COL!

Jan

I agree with you 150% and here is us saying we would never agree. We all comment on what we know and have experience. I have 25 years experience with dogs and do not agree with everyone the same as not everyone agree's with me.

It is ext easy to miss interpret typed replies etc on a forum and it is also ext difficult to put ourselves in others situations without actually seeing and experienceing them for ourselves. Everyone is entitlied to their opinion and actually once you get used to certain forums you can actually appreciate how they work.

I dont think it is good practice to publicly down others and other forums as as I posted last night it down right childish. The Mods on COL have a hard Job and do a good job and have prob been driven to distraction by some of my posts but I have took a step back and appreciated their requests.

I have been guilty myself of downing others, and this was due to me being a sad unhappy individual who was angry at life in general who needed to take a major chill pill. I have found if I can be less critical of people and understand and appreciate others feelings it makes for a better place.

If I am correct in saying we all have everyones best interests at heart and I would not be happy for one minit if I did or said something that would truly hurt another individual as I have been on the recieving end of some major shit in my life and I certainly wouldnt want to make anyone else feel like that.

Please lets have a dram and relax as I know that there is lots more to life than a bloody keyboard :12:

[Michelle]

Please lets have a dram and relax as I know that there is lots more to life than a bloody keyboard :12:

Well said I want to go back to the fun :D

[jools]

Aye, let's all chill. Apart from anything else, it's really upsetting thinking about my Millie's sad end - sure you feel the same, Lyn.

By the way, Cazzie.......have you found god.....or drugs :D Jokin! It takes a big person to say what yu just did.....well done, doll.

[Jan/Billy]

I agree with you 150% and here is us saying we would never agree.



Well there is a first time for everything :D
:lol: :lol:





If I am correct in saying we all have everyones best interests at heart and I would not be happy for one minit if I did or said something that would truly hurt another individual ...Please lets have a dram and relax as I know that there is lots more to life than a bloody keyboard :12:

Very well said!!! :D

although, what's a dram? :oops:

[Pink Gundog]

Very well said!!! :D

although, what's a dram? :oops:

Well Jan, it either my new dog :12: Or the miserable shots they pour you up here ;)

[lyn]

http&#58;//smileys&#46;on-my-web&#46;com/repository/Confused/confused-29&#46;gif jan, i was trying to get across the fact that i did understand about owning a vicious dog. i also tried to reply to 2 posts at once hence the rayna bit(i have had a bad night tonight and am a bit frazzled) once again i will repeat that although i didn't agree with the puppy being pts i understood that the owner was given bad advice.
i thought we were all friends but seem to have got that very wrong.
cazzie you beat me to it. life is to short and i can't be arsed arguing.

[Jan/Billy]

i thought we were all friends but seem to have got that very wrong.


So did I but your post never came accross like that, it was anything but friendly.

Think this is my cue to log off now!

[Pink Gundog]

http&#58;//smileys&#46;on-my-web&#46;com/repository/Confused/confused-29&#46;gif jan, i was trying to get across the fact that i did understand about owning a vicious dog. i also tried to reply to 2 posts at once hence the rayna bit(i have had a bad night tonight and am a bit frazzled) once again i will repeat that although i didn't agree with the puppy being pts i understood that the owner was given bad advice.
i thought we were all friends but seem to have got that very wrong.
cazzie you beat me to it. life is to short and i can't be arsed arguing.

Lyn. Get a grip, we are all friends there is enough war and crap in this life without anymore. We are all on forums to banter back and forth/ make friends/exchange ideas and so on but some people are more sensitive than others. I am a JRT by nature and will go for it big style but there are few who understand. I have met some fantastic friends on COL who have aided and helped me through some troubled times and I am truly truly grateful to them all ;) I think if we all were to meet face to face we would all get on like a house on fire, so remember that a stranger is a dam good friend we havnt met yet ;) :13:

[Nicola]

omg nic, i cannot believe for one second that you think any of this was aimed at you. i am shocked that you even think it.

Well I was one of the four people who posted the 'unpopular' opinion on that thread that's being talked about here!

[Pink Gundog]

omg nic, i cannot believe for one second that you think any of this was aimed at you. i am shocked that you even think it.

Well I was one of the four people who posted the 'unpopular' opinion on that thread that's being talked about here!

Nicola

We said what we wanted to say but it doesnt mean that we done love Kirdst to bits. We have not got crystal balls and I think we said what we did to try and aid her, but at the end of the day she knows her situation unlike us, we can only comment. Doesnt mean we think she is a fuckin monster :o ;)

[Nicola]

omg nic, i cannot believe for one second that you think any of this was aimed at you. i am shocked that you even think it.

Well I was one of the four people who posted the 'unpopular' opinion on that thread that's being talked about here!

Nicola

We said what we wanted to say but it doesnt mean that we done love Kirdst to bits. We have not got crystal balls and I think we said what we did to try and aid her, but at the end of the day she knows her situation unlike us, we can only comment. Doesnt mean we think she is a fuckin monster :o ;)

Exactly! And is it wrong that that 'crystal balls' comment made me snigger?? :lol: :?

[Simon]

Far past time this thread was closed. Please note, im NOT deleting this! But I think the subject has been done to death now.